Cincinnati Reds vs. Pittsburgh Pirates: A Rivalry That Has Been Largely Forgotten

Cincinnati Reds vs. Pittsburgh Pirates: A Rivalry That Has Been Largely Forgotten



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Today we welcome back contributor Mark Kolier who takes us back 50 years ago with a detailed retelling of the great rivalry that existed between the Reds and Pirates in the 1970s. During this era, both teams were stacked with great players. Those of us “senior” readers who can personally recall those days will particularly enjoy Mark’s essay.

This is a shorter version of an article Mark wrote in 2022. There’s a link to the complete year-by-year summary at the end. I think you’ll find Mark’s essay as interesting as I did. –GL

Cincinnati Reds vs. Pittsburgh Pirates: A Rivalry That Has Been Largely Forgotten

It’s less than 300 miles between Cincinnati and Pittsburgh and both the Cincinnati Reds and Pittsburgh Pirates have been around for a very long time. Is there a natural rivalry between the two cities due to proximity? The Reds were founded in 1881 in the American Association and moved into the National League in 1890. The Pirates were also founded in 1881 in the American Association and joined the National League in 1887. The Pirates have won five World Series Championships — 1909, 1925, 1960, 1971, 1979 — and nine National League pennants. The Reds have won (you guessed it), five World Series Championships — 1919, 1940, 1975, 1976, 1990 — and nine National League pennants.  A rivalry? Yes, you could say that. A bitter rivalry? The decade of the 1970s proved that to be true.

The 1970s was a great decade for America’s Pastime. The advent of divisional play in 1969 creating two divisions in each league in turn created the ‘League Championship’ playoffs and young emerging baseball fans like me lapped it up. Although the NFL under then-commissioner Pete Rozelle was ascending to become the nation’s most popular sport, in the 1970s baseball still reigned supreme in the United States.  During the decade, five teams were winners of the ten World Series titles: The Baltimore Orioles, Pittsburgh Pirates, Oakland A’s, Cincinnati Reds, and New York Yankees. Four of the five teams won multiple World Series titles and three of the teams won at least two in a row (the A’s won three straight 1972-74).

Great Clemente catch

There were some great rivalries. The Orioles and the A’s met three times in the LCS playoffs in the 1970s — 1971, 1973, and 1974 — with the O’s winning in 1971 and the A’s in 1973 and 1974. The A’s followed with World Series titles after vanquishing their rival, but the Orioles went down to the Pirates in the ’71 Series. The Orioles were a dominant team and had five American  League East titles in the decade also finishing second three times. The A’s won five straight division titles but faded for the rest of the decade after 1975 while the Orioles reached the World Series again in 1979 losing to…the Pirates. More on that later. As a playoff rivalry, the Reds and Pirates outdid their American League counterparts meeting four times in the postseason during the 1970s.

To put things into context about how good it was in Pittsburgh and Cincinnati in the 1970s, most recently the Pirates were a Wild Card team in 2013-14-15. They have not reached the NLCS since 1992. The Reds were also a Wild Card team (of course losing to the Pirates) in 2013 and reached the Wild Card game again in the pandemic-shortened 2020 season. The Reds have not been in the NLCS since 1995. Over the past 27+ years, there’s not a great deal to crow about for either team. It was very different in the decade of the 1970s.

Johnny Bench

Baseball fans like me who were around for the emergence of MLB divisional play can recall many of the Pirates and Reds players. And it goes beyond the easy future Hall-of-Famers like Roberto Clemente and Willie Stargell of the ‘Bucs,’ as well as Johnny Bench, Tony Perez, Joe Morgan, Tom Seaver, and of course the man with the most hits in baseball history, non-HOFer Pete Rose of the Reds. Pirates like Dave Parker, Al Oliver, and Manny Sanguillen were truly excellent ballplayers and both Parker and Oliver later received serious HOF consideration. Beyond the mentioned four HOFers that played for the Reds during the decade, there were terrific MLB players like the Reds’ Lee May, Dave Concepcion, Dan Driessen, and Ken Griffey Sr.  Pirates Richie Hebner, Rennie Stennett, John Candelaria, Kent Tekulve, and even future HOFer Rich Gossage, all played significant parts in the teams’ success. It was by all counts an amazing and memorable decade for both teams.

The Reds of the 1970s finished first or second in the National League West every season except for 1971. Not quite as amazing as the Atlanta Braves 14 out of 15 National League East division championships between 1991 and 2005 (they finished second the other year), but still a very impressive run. The Pirates of the 1970s were also a consistent winner finishing first or second in the division each year except for 1973 when they finished third, but only 2.5 games out of first place.

1975 WS champion Reds

Both teams were constructed similarly.  Feared hitters up and down the lineup. Smart players both in the field and on the bases. Both featured pitching staffs that were good but not great. It all made for a dynamic, new, and interesting intra-divisional rivalry.

For the decade, the Reds and Pirates played 133 regular season games against each other with the Reds winning 74 and the Pirates 59.  In those games, both teams scored and allowed 4.3 runs per game. In the postseason the Reds also had the upper hand winning nine of 14 games and three out of four playoff series played between the two teams. Their overall records for the decade were terrific with the Reds winning 953 games averaging 95 per year and the Pirates 916 games averaging 91 wins per year.

1971 WS Champion Pirates

And then it was over for more than ten years for both the Pirates and Reds. At least as far as the playoffs go. The Reds would have a surprising run to win the World Series in 1990, defeating the Pirates (of course) in the NLCS that season, the first of three straight NLCS appearances for the Bucs. But the Pirates have not returned to the NLCS in 30 years. The Reds added a NLCS appearance in 1995 but lost to the Braves and have not returned since. That makes a combined 57 years between the two franchises without making it to the League Championship much less the World Series — a very long drought for two of the most venerated franchises in MLB history.

Of note in looking at the rosters of both the Pirates and Reds of the 1970s was the impact and significance of players of color on both rosters – and not just players, but bona fide MLB stars. It had been less than 25 years since Jackie Robinson had broken the color barrier. While many teams featured a few African-American and Latin players, the Pirates often started seven or eight players of color, and the Reds five or six. This was far from the norm at the time and fans like me both noticed and thought it was great as well as long overdue!

Of course today both teams play in the same division — the National  League Central and play each other as many as thirteen times per season. A far cry from when they were members of different divisions as it was from 1969-1993 and their NLCS clashes during the 1970s remain some of the best and most exciting in baseball history!

If you’d like to read the year-by-year summary of the Reds and Pirates in the 1970s that can be found here: https://open.substack.com/pub/almostcooperstown/p/cincinnati-reds-vs-pittsburgh-pirates-rivalry-that-has-been-overlooked-forgotten-f3cdf14a2981?r=6m2o9&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Mark Kolier

About the Author: Mark Kolier along with his son Gordon co-hosts a baseball podcast called ‘Almost Cooperstown’. He also has written baseball-related articles that can be accessed on Medium.com and now Substack.com.

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5 Comments

  1. Barbara Anne McC. · December 7, 2023 Reply

    I remember very well. Cincinnati usually won in the NL playoffs and I am a Pittsburgh fan. I have been since they beat the Yankees in 1960. So as a result I never did like the Reds.

  2. Bill Schaefer · December 8, 2023 Reply

    Good job, Mark!

    And you sparked my memory back to a pivotal game in 1973, between the Mets and Pirates. The Mets would face Cincinnati in the playoffs, but it could have been Pirates/Reds in that series.

    Sept. 20, top 13: Mets and Pirates tied at three runs apiece (Pittsburgh was in first place, a mere one game over .500, the Mets were second, one game under the breakeven mark). Richie Zisk was on first with two out. Dave Augustine belted a drive over Cleon Jones’ head in left. The ball looked to be a two-run homer but miraculously hit the top of the railing and caromed right into Jones’ glove. Zisk, off with the crack of the bat, was thrown out at the plate on a perfect throw from Cleon. The Mets won it in the bottom of the 13th, 4-3, to close to within a half game of the
    Pirates.

    They beat Pitt the next day and claimed first place in “The Lost Division,” according to Dick young. The Mets never looked back.

  3. Bill Schaefer · December 8, 2023 Reply

    Correction: Mets were two games under .500 before the key win. The victory put them one game under. The following day they achieved .500 as they climbed into the top spot to stay.

  4. Steven A Falco · December 10, 2023 Reply

    I remember that era well. The Big Red Machine was awesome and did quite a job on my Yanks in the 1976 World Series. The Reds won in four straight. The Pirates were no less impressive in the 70’s. Who can forget the “We are family” Pirates of 1979.
    Excellent article.

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