I Never Get Tired of Talking About Willie!

I Never Get Tired of Talking About Willie!



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I Never Get Tired of Talking About Willie!




For those of us weaned on baseball in the 50s and 60s, we never seem to get enough of Willie Mays. Of course, the reason is simple: To those of us who saw him play, he was an absolutely dynamic player, possibly the greatest all-around player we had ever seen. As a Cub fan back then, I can tell you that the Cubs of that era were no match for the Giants whenever Willie and his Giant teammates rolled into town.

Willie Mays

Yesterday while glancing through the This Day in Baseball History website, I stumbled onto this little gem. Back on January 15, 1964—59 years ago today—Willie Mays, already the highest player in baseball, signed the contract offered to him by the Giants for the unheard-of sum of $105,000.

As I read this, I knew right away this would give me another excuse to write about the great “Say-Hey Kid.” It would also give me a chance to recall one of my favorite scenes in all of baseball: the day in 1951 when Leo Durocher consoled a weeping rookie named Willie Mays in the Giants’ clubhouse after his disastrous 0-for-12 start.

The Giants Got Their Money’s Worth!

Anyway, going back to the contract. I’d have to say the Giants got their money’s worth. He responded with another terrific year, hitting .296, with 404 home runs, and 111 RBIs. Of course, this begs the question: Just how much would Willie be worth in today’s market? It’s always fun to look over the salaries of players like Willie and compare those numbers to the mega-millions thrown around like manhole covers in today’s game. Consider that the Cubs just signed a player who hit .216 last year to a one-year contract worth $17 million.

So to start off this little essay about Willie, let’s recall his career stats, with the question always in mind, was he the best ever?

Willie’s Great Career

Over his 22 years in the majors (1951-1973), Willie hit .302 with 3,283 hits (11th all-time), 1903 RBIs (12th all-time), 660 home runs (sixth all-time), a .557 slugging percentage, a lifetime .384 on-base percentage, and 338 stolen bases. Willie hit over 35 homers in 10 seasons, hit 40 homers six times, and won five slugging crowns. He’s one of the few players with 300 steals and 500 home runs. His defensive skills won him 12 Gold Gloves (the award wasn’t even started until he was six years into his career).

Willie is one of only five National League players to have had eight consecutive 100 RBI seasons. In addition, he won four stolen base and three triples titles, six top-three finishes in National League batting races, and he played in a whopping 24 All-Star games, tied for the most ever. He won two MVP Awards and was a two-time All-Star game MVP. His lifetime total of 7,095 outfield putouts remains the major league record. 

Willie Howard Mays was so athletically advanced by age 14 that he was competing with the men on his father’s steel mill team. He played semipro ball at age 16 and was on the Birmingham Black Barons by 1947. He was one of the last players – and likely the best – to come from the Negro Leagues. In 1950, the Giants signed him and sent him to the minors. In 1951 he was batting .477 with the Minneapolis Millers when he got the call to go up to the Giants…thanks to Leo Durocher.

My Favorite Baseball Scene: Leo and Willie, 1951

Giants’ owner Horace Stoneham, Willie Mays, and Leo Durocher

This also got me thinking about Leo Durocher and Willie Mays, and how Leo acted as a mentor and father-figure for Willie during his rookie year of 1951 as the youngster made his difficult transition to the major leagues, just a few years after Jackie Robinson broke baseball’s odious color barrier. 

Leo had his faults…lots of them. As many players hated his guts as loved him. But, as I’ve been saying for a long time, in spite of what you might think about him, his greatest and most lasting contribution to baseball was taking a young, homesick Willie Mays under his wing and guiding him during his difficult period. In doing so, Leo allowed Mays to blossom into arguably the greatest player in the history of the game. I don’t know if there was anyone else around at the time besides Durocher who could have done this. 

Durocher demanded Mays be promoted after the Giants’ 6-20 start in 1951.  I always love to think about the wonderful scene in the Giants’ clubhouse after rookie Willie Mays got off to his disastrous 0-12 start (which eventually extended to 1-26, until he got hot). Giants’ coach Freddie Fitzsimmons saw Willie sitting alone in front of his locker crying. “Leo,” Freddie said, “I think you better have a talk with your boy over there.”

What would have become of Willie Mays if Leo wasn’t there to console him at this crucial time? I still get goose-bumps whenever I think about it. Leo went over to Willie and asked him, “What’s the matter, son?”

Willie turned to his manager and with tears streaming down his cheeks, replied:

“I don’t belong up here…I can’t play here…I can’t help you Missa’ Leo. Send me back to the minors.”

“You’re the best center fielder I’ve ever seen…”

Leo smiled, patted Willie on the back, and simply said:

“Look son, I brought you up here to do one thing. That’s to play center field. You’re the best center fielder I’ve ever seen, and I’ve been around a long time.  As long as I’m here, you’re going to play center field. Tomorrow, next week, next month. As long as Leo Durocher’s manager of this team you will be on this club because you’re the best ballplayer I’ve ever seen.”

The rest, as they say, is history. On his 13th at-bat, Willie hit a homer over the left-field fence off Warren Spahn who later joked, “I’ll never forgive myself. We might have gotten rid of Willie forever if I’d only struck him out.”

Years later, Willie was asked in an interview to expand on his relationship with Leo. Here’s what he said:

“I had such a good time with Leo. I met so many good people in Hollywood. Jeff Chandler used to come to spring training with me, Pat O’Brien, all the movie stars. Leo was like my father away from home. When I went to California I stayed with Leo in his house. His kid, Chris Durocher, was my roommate on the road. Chris would go to the black areas and stay with me. Leo trusted me. He knew that if his kid was going to stay with me, nothing was going to happen to that kid.”

Yes, Leo Durocher had his faults. He was “the All-American Out” as Babe Ruth so famously branded him. He was a scrappy, marginal player who couldn’t hit, but won three pennants and one World Series title as a manager. So you can debate back and forth whether he belongs in the Hall of Fame. To me, he’s a Hall-of-Famer just for the way he took care of a frightened and homesick rookie named Willie Mays. 

Was Willie the Greatest Ever?

When Willie retired, he held all-time records for games, putouts, and chances for center fielders. His career statistics and longevity in the pre-PED era have led to a growing opinion that Mays was possibly the greatest all-around baseball player in the history of the game. In 1970, the Sporting News named Willie as the 1960s “Player of the Decade.” He placed second on The Sporting News’s “List of the 100 Greatest Baseball Players.” He was a near-unanimous selection to the Hall of Fame in 1979. His number 24 has been retired by the Giants.

Was Willie the greatest ever? You’ll get no argument from me!

Gary Livacari 

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Information: Excerpts edited from Willie Mays Wikipedia page; from Nice Guys Finish Last, by Leo Durocher; stats from Baseball Reference.com

 

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14 Comments

  1. Christine · January 15, 2023 Reply

    Wow! What a beautiful and heartfelt tribute to the great Willie May. Actually made me teary eyed. I’m proud to say I have a Willie Mays baseball card. Now, I just hope I can find it 🙏🏻❤️ 😉

    • Gary Livacari · January 15, 2023 Reply

      Thanks, Christine, for the kind words…greatly appreciated. Please stay in touch!

    • Mary Barragan · January 19, 2023 Reply

      I love this. Grew up a tomboy who has always loved baseball. I remember my uncle was a lifelong Giants fan, and always walked around with a small transistor radio next to his ear listening to a ball game. He would always repeat the great plays made. Great memories!

  2. Thomas L Marshall · January 15, 2023 Reply

    Nice article on the “Say Hey Kid”, Gary. I only watched Mays play one time {in San Diego @ Jack Murphy Stadium, later to be named Qualcomm Stadium}. As I recall, the game was in the summer of 1972, during his tenure with the Mets. Seaver started for NY, and Mays was in CF. Something happened during the game that I’ve always remembered. A fly ball was hit by a Padre towards the R/CF gap; but appeared to be mostly toward center. Mays camped right under it, ready to snare it; when all of a sudden, this rookie named Dave Schneck {had to look up his name} came racing full-tilt from right field and caught it {glove on right hand} about a foot in front of Willie’s face. Later that half inning, once the 3rd out was made, the rookie started to jog back to the Mets dugout. Mays caught up with him in short right field and got right in his face; giving him about a 30 second butt-chewin’. No doubt, a stern lesson from a future HOF’er to a rookie about how & why the centerfielder takes charge in the outfield; especially one with May’s pedigree. Me and my buddies chuckled as we watched the re-faced Schneck complete his trip back to the dugout. A coupla photos grabbed my attention….{1}Mays & Mantle with the HR Derby host, Mark Scott. What a shame that show had to end so abruptly due to his passing. Enjoyed it immensely for the 6 or 7 months that it was telecast. And {2}, the cigarette ad with Mays and Monte Irwin…. we won’t ever see another ad by an MLB guy for THAT product….hahaha. Great work as always. Thnx.

  3. Gary Livacari · January 15, 2023 Reply

    I forgot to mention that Willie also lost significant time to the military. What would his stats look like without that??

  4. Bill Schaefer · January 16, 2023 Reply

    Just back from points south on MLK day.

    Great job, Gary, reminding us of the true greatness of “The Say Hey” kid. That’s some story about Mays and Durocher! But make no mistake, when Leo sensed his team was special he could psychologically whip them into a winning frenzy. Jackie Robinson said the same thing. In a given season, Durocher was possibly the greatest manager, ever.

    And Thanks, Tom M, for a wonderful story. That was some moment for you watching Mays chew out the rookie!

    A few things:

    (1) Looks like you inadvertently cited Mays’ stats from 1961, Gary. No demerits from the peanut gallery, though (Ha, Ha).

    (2) When Willie returned from the army in ’54 and won he NL batting crown, three points ahead of teammate Don Mueller’s .342, he had an interesting year statistically. Mays had 36 homers through July. In August and September he hit only five more. He was concentrating on winning the batting average crown, and hit .384 over the final two months!

    (3) When Mays belted the homer off Warren Spahn, it not only cleared the fence but rocketed over the Polo Grounds roof in left field.

    (4) When our boy was going 0-12 against the Phillies in ’51, he was hitting some shots right at fielders. He once lashed out and smashed a bullet two-hopper that sent Philadelphia SS Granny Hamner back on the grass in short left field. He threw Willie out, but I never saw a harder hit ground ball. It was only a matter of time…

    (5) As you can see from those super pictures included in the essay, Mays did not possess an ounce of fat, literally. In his first physical with he Giants, they could not perform one test. The exam required a vernier caliper to pinch a small amount of flesh from his lower back. There was nothing to pinch!

    (6) Right, Gary, Mays hit four home runs in 1952 before going into the army in May, to return for the ’54 season. He averaged 36 homers a year for his career. Without the military, he would have smashed a very conservative 60 more round trippers to give him at least 720–well before Hammerin’ Henry got there to break The Babe’s record 714.

  5. Gary Livacari · January 16, 2023 Reply

    Thaks for the correction, Bill. That’s what I get for not double-checking the National Baseball Pastime website, which was my source for the information. Just went there again to see if I copied it wrong or something, but, no, that’s what it says. Not the first time I’ve gotten bad info there. You’d think I’d learn my lesson my now! But Willie had a pretty good year in ’64 anyway, hitting .296 with 47 home runs, 111 RBIs, and a .607 slugging average, giving him an OPS+ of 172!

    But I do have a question for you, my go-to expert for all things Giants. I know you answered this for me once before: Did he start out 0-for-12 or 0-for-16 in 1951? I think Leo’s book had it wrong and when I wrote about it before, you corrected me. So, let me know if you can answer that question. Thanks! -DD

  6. Bill Schaefer · January 16, 2023 Reply

    Gary,

    Yes, he was 0-12, then the wallop off Warren. Then another 0-13. He was white-hot after that, cooled a bit, and wound up hitting close to .290, following his 1-26.

  7. Joan Tumbleson · January 16, 2023 Reply

    Hi Christine:

    How nice to see a feminine name, besides mine, here. Welcome aboard.

    Kind regards, Joan

  8. Steven A. Falco · January 31, 2023 Reply

    Wonderful article Gary, and the perfect title. What baseball fan would ever not like talking about Willie Mays? I’ve been a Yankee fan all my life and many of my friends are Yankee fans and nobody ever has had a bad word to says about Willie. He of course was a rival of our favorite player Mickey Mantle, but the rivalry was always congenial, never bitter. Perhaps because the two rarely met face-to-face. Or perhaps because everybody just realized how special the two players were.

    One distinct memory I have of Mays was the 1965 All Star Game. (All Star Games were when I got to see Mays.) As an American League fan, I of course was rooting against Mays and the National League. Well, the National League was so stacked with great players they, in an “in your face gesture” to us American League fans, actually put Mays batting leadoff. And of course, Mays promptly led off the game with a home run against Milt Pappas! What I great ball player!

    No reason to ever stop talking about Willie Mays.

    • Gary Livacari · January 31, 2023 Reply

      Thanks Steve…some great observatons! I was a Cub fan back then (and still am), but how could you root against Willie Mays??

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